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Fight Quest – Brazil features arguably the most effective Martial Art / Fighting System ever created… BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU. Doug and Jimmy get 5 days with two of the Gracie Academy Brazil’s finest Instructors and then face off against two Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighters at the end. Brazilian or Gracie Jiu Jitsu was developed from Traditional Judo and modified by Helio Gracie over 60 years ago. Since then the Gracie family have spread the word to Americans of the efefctiveness of Gracie Jiu Jitsu by winning and dominating fighters from all other styles. Due to Gracie Jiu Jitsu MANY other arts realized how weak they truly were and some have began incorporating Ground work into their system. The Gracie’s showed America what REAL fighting was and wasn’t through the First Ultimate FIghting Championship..flashy Kicks went out the window and even STand Up Fighting Art Specialists resorted to Grappling! Gracie Jiu Jitsu was perfected in the Streets of Brazil, and allows a MUCH smaller fighter to defeat a much larger one as was proven in Early Vale Tudo Fights such as the UFC and thousands of other fights through the years. Now every current successful fighter trains in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or a comparable style of Grappling. Gracie Jiu Jitsu IS what every other Traditional Martial Arts has always CLAIMED to be..a system that allows a smaller man to defeat a much larger man.
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joebeast15
April 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
@ordaboy yea man I know about Brandon Hetzler, my girlfriend has a friend who moved to Sacramento and trains at your school! I’ll ask her his name, you have to know him. yea like I said Im all the way in Maryland, go to Kron’s website and look at brown belt instructors, my instructor is actually right under Hetzler
ordaboy
April 27th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
hmmm, im in sacramento under rickson gracie brown belt brandon hetzler
joebeast15
April 27th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
@ordaboy I live in Maryland, I’m under Rickson Brown Belt Representative Scott Naugle
retardno002
April 27th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
@RobbieH02879
At higher levels, even tho it is not allowed in competition, a judoka learns all the ground techniques present in BJJ or at least most of them. So on the ground they are fairly equal and standing up the judoka is better. But I can not agree more with you. And in the end, it all depends on the martial artist not the art. Peace
dude157
April 27th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
One of the main disadvantages, in real world situation, rarely will one person attack you on your own, specially unarmed, most criminals are cowards, and will attack in groups, you dont really want to go to the ground to snap a guys arm, where the others will kick you in the face. You want to be able to react instinctively and fast under a high amount of stress, in unideal conditions. Inflicting maximum damage fast, to stun them and get to safety.
dude157
April 27th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
@RobbieH02879
the same can be said for any training centers, for any martial art though, some have higher standards than others. Like you say its very difficult for a small person to knock out a large opponent, or a woman to defend against a man, thats why most of the moves involves attacks to vunerable points, such as groin kicks, side kicks to knee joins, elbows to throats, back of heads and necks, as well as attacking the eyes. Obviously Krav is not a sport, its purely Self defense
dude157
April 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
@RobbieH02879
Its important to learn good groundwork techniques, as inevitably, unless you disable your opponent quickly, its going to end up on the ground. Most Krav Maga ground techniques emphasise getting yourself up off the ground, to avoid getting stomped on by others. If you learn KM from any IKMF instructor the standard should be pretty good, In order to receive further more advanced training then a trip to Israel is necessary.
RobbieH02879
April 27th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
@dude157 And unfortunately MOST Krav has become a step above Cardio Kickboxing classes.. lol The real deal is legit obviously, but most of what’s taught is watered down..just walk into most classes in the average town.
With the popularity of MMA NOW. it is more likely than EVER that an attacker WILL rush for a takedown..even regular THUGS now see how effective ground grappling is*just look at Youtube street fight videos!).
It’s more important now than ever to learn proper ground grappling
RobbieH02879
April 27th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
@rommelcs79 Good post..and I agree. Olympic Judo has become VERY watered down over the years, which is why you see many BJJ Blue Belts that tap out Judo Black Belts.. lack of NeWaza training has hurt Mainstream Judo imo…
RobbieH02879
April 28th, 2010 at 12:55 am
@retardno002 NO hands down.. I have witnessed BJJ Blue Belts submit Judo Black belts numerous time in one session.. They both have their strengths.. BUT Modern Olympic Judo is VERY watered down and is lacking a LOT in the ground game… They compliment each other very well. Wrestling or Judo for standing to get the fight to the ground..and BJJ for it’s smooth efficient transitions and escapes once the fight is on the ground….
RobbieH02879
April 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am
@dude157 BJJ is a Combat art first and foremost.. BJJ prepares you for the WORST case situation..being on the ground.i do agree that people shoudl also train in striking just to get used to taking and evading punches.. but honestly, 75% of average smaller people women, WILL NEVER be able to outstrike a bigger more aggressive man.Just the sad truth. I kickboxed for years as well, and women and smaller men would train for years and never REALLY develop KO or enough power to inflict REAL damage.
dude157
April 28th, 2010 at 1:01 am
BJJ is a great sporting martial art, a sport where you can pit your skills against another. In MMA style fights BJJ is generally one of the most effective fighting systems. On the other hand its not a complete fighting system, to effectively win fights you need to learn strikes too. On the streets, or against more than one opponent its one of the least effective styles. But implementing some techniques into other systems (like krav maga) really adds something to ones arsenal.
ordaboy
April 28th, 2010 at 1:50 am
@joebeast15 a rickson gracie blue belt? shit i might know you,what school location do you got to???
joebeast15
April 28th, 2010 at 2:15 am
what are you talking about a Japanese guy TAUGHT this to Helio and his brothers. Brazil actually has a lot of Japanese immigrants from their imperial days. He was over there and HE TAUGHT IT TO THEM asshole they simply modified it
joebeast15
April 28th, 2010 at 2:53 am
hell yea son Im a blue belt under Rickson, you right about that
joebeast15
April 28th, 2010 at 3:18 am
I saw him beat Jason Chambers the guy from the Human Weapon which is basically the same show. It was a good fight
rommelcs79
April 28th, 2010 at 3:45 am
@retardno002 don’t know about that. Stand up yes, but on the ground a lot of judo black belt seems to find out that even white belts in bjj grapples like a brown in judo on the ground. Most judo brown belts don’t even have a ground game or their game is very limited.
jtstevenson81
April 28th, 2010 at 3:58 am
Didn’t Royce Gracie fight a few black belt Judokas in the UFC? He always beat them.
junglemanlawyer1
April 28th, 2010 at 4:07 am
“Stolen”? Don’t you mean developed? Grappling is the most ancient type of martial art in the world, since the Persian empire passing by Greece, than ancient Rome, so one so forward. In Asia martial arts are some how similar and their origins are also similar, as anything in human culture this fighting technique has been improved and acquired it’s own characteristic.
ordaboy
April 28th, 2010 at 4:30 am
you talkin bout jimmy? supposively he has his purple belt, and i think he has an 8-0 record,most wins by submissions,but i dont think he ever claimed to be a pro fighter,just an amature
FoieGras
April 28th, 2010 at 4:53 am
And Japan “stole” its striking arts (and some grappling) from China. Martial arts evolve.
RobbieH02879
April 28th, 2010 at 5:41 am
I have trained Judo… Judo wentin an entirely different path, BJJ has become it’s own art.. if you’ve never trained it you would not understand.
dellbaz
April 28th, 2010 at 6:24 am
how is this guy a pro mma fighter. when he can’t fight jiu???
dellbaz
April 28th, 2010 at 7:18 am
these jerk offs stole this from japan and call it their own. fucking brazalian thiefs
retardno002
April 28th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Yes and BJJ was created from Judo. The reason it’s called Brazilian Jujitsu is the same why Judo was first called Kano Jujitsu. So they don’t want to call it judo because it is different. You could just as well call it Brazilian Judo. The name doesn’t matter… Bottom line, Judo is more complete than BJJ but BJJ is more efficient at lower levels (from white belt to purple belt). From brown up, a judoka would win hands down. But in the end it all depends on the artist not the art.